A real partnership developed, I think, between a good many of the professional people. And there were larger and increasing numbers of them. Working with the parents and I think they were able to…

We brought, we helped bring together, I think, quite a few, different parent groups and others, and, began to lay out what we thought should be done. And contacted legislators and others. There was a rather remarkable development beginning in 1955, when the state legislature established an interim commission to study the problems in the area.

And Elmer L. Andersen, that's Andersen with an "e-n" at the end was the very distinguished chairman of that interim commission. And I worked quite closely with them and two years later, that is, in 1957, they brought a package of proposals to the legislature. And they were accepted. And the appropriations were improved. I think that modern special education in Minnesota can be dated back to the work of that interim commission and the results that they had in 1957.